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    False Neutrals
    on: May 08, 2019, 02.51 am
    May 08, 2019, 02.51 am
    I've noticed for some time now that whenever I try to shift past ~ 6k rpms, the bike will be very stubborn to upshift onto the next gear unless I clutchless shift it. Is that normal?
    If I use the clutch, it will either go into a false neutral or feel like it's about to shift, but doesn't. Doesn't matter if I'm riding normal or going full throttle. I have to short shift it (about 5k rpms give or take) to avoid that.
    i even installed a quickshifter, but it doesn't seem to help. I was thinking of using an air shifter, but only when trying to haul a**, since I have limited air supply.

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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #1 on: May 22, 2019, 12.52 pm
    May 22, 2019, 12.52 pm
    This may help.


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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #2 on: May 23, 2019, 12.00 am
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    the z9 is the false neutral king of all the bikes ive ever owned or ridden. I swear you can dog the thing around under medium accel all day and never have anything but seamless shifts. the minute you decide to be a goon and shift at the limiter you get a false neutral. mine will seriously miss 5th-6th every single time no matter how deliberate you are with your foot. 

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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #3 on: May 23, 2019, 10.10 am
    May 23, 2019, 10.10 am
    *Originally Posted by Zrider [+]
    the z9 is the false neutral king of all the bikes ive ever owned or ridden. I swear you can dog the thing around under medium accel all day and never have anything but seamless shifts. the minute you decide to be a goon and shift at the limiter you get a false neutral. mine will seriously miss 5th-6th every single time no matter how deliberate you are with your foot.

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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #4 on: May 26, 2019, 03.08 am
    May 26, 2019, 03.08 am
    *Originally Posted by Zrider [+]
    the minute you decide to be a goon and shift at the limiter you get a false neutral...no matter how deliberate you are with your foot.

    It's so frustrating when you see a nice, clear straightaway ahead be ruined by a false neutral when you want to have a bit of fun....

    *Originally Posted by zed9 [+]
    This may help.



    Thanks zed9, I watched that video some time ago, but it still happens. Especially when I feel like going a bit crazy with the throttle shifting near redline.

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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #5 on: May 27, 2019, 03.38 pm
    May 27, 2019, 03.38 pm
    I started to hit them and they blamed after market levers I had installed. So I asked them to adjust the clutch. They did. I still hit them. At 8k with no db killer in, a neutral drop is fcking loud! 😂
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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #6 on: May 27, 2019, 08.40 pm
    May 27, 2019, 08.40 pm
    *Originally Posted by Blackcell06 [+]
    I started to hit them and they blamed after market levers I had installed. So I asked them to adjust the clutch. They did. I still hit them. At 8k with no db killer in, a neutral drop is fcking loud! 😂

    Haha, when that happens to me with people around they must think I'm trying to show off

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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #7 on: Sep 19, 2022, 01.31 pm
    Sep 19, 2022, 01.31 pm
    I know this thread is old, but I have experienced this problem and Iím wondering, has anyone ever experienced any damage to their gearbox caused by this error. I had it happen to me last night riding and now it seems as the throw on the shifter has been shortened. Wondering if Iíve actually damaged something.

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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #8 on: Sep 22, 2022, 04.24 pm
    Sep 22, 2022, 04.24 pm
    I used have the false neutral as well, but since I change the shifting patter to racing or sometimes is called GP shifting patter, the issue with the false neutral is gone. 

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    Re: False Neutrals
    Reply #9 on: Sep 22, 2022, 06.39 pm
    Sep 22, 2022, 06.39 pm
    This is what I was experiencing lol. I'm at 2K miles and clutchless shifting is a breeze below 10K, but when you near the limiter that's where it happens most often. haven't tried reaching the limiter after the shifting streak im currently on, dunno know if I'm ready to end it.


    It's a shame cause this is really the only complaint I have about this awesome bike