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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #10 on: Jun 05, 2022, 03.21 pm
    Jun 05, 2022, 03.21 pm
    *Originally Posted by Led Zed 70 [+]
    I hit a false neutral here and there on the Z also. I do have to remember to not get too light footed when shifting. I have noticed on bikes that are easy to find neutral it happens more than bikes that are super tight and a pain to find neutral. Probably stating the obvious.

    Lower the Gear shift lever untill you are comfortable (do that for rear brake lever also), i do that for all my bikes and had only 1-2 false neutrals in last 42.500km on Z900 and that was my laziness even then :D  I can shift with minimal effort that way, it's butter smooth, ergonomic is important.
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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #11 on: Jun 05, 2022, 03.24 pm
    Jun 05, 2022, 03.24 pm
    *Originally Posted by 3alfa3 [+]
    Lower the Gear shift lever untill you are comfortable (do that for rear brake lever also), i do that for all my bikes and had only 1-2 false neutrals in last 42.500km on Z900 and that was my laziness even then :D  I can shift with minimal effort that way, it's butter smooth, ergonomic is important.
    .   Yeah I did long time ago, maybe lower it one more spline? Just want to be able to get boot under it quickly without hassle. 👍🏻

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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #12 on: Jun 05, 2022, 03.28 pm
    Jun 05, 2022, 03.28 pm
    *Originally Posted by Led Zed 70 [+]
    .   Yeah I did long time ago, maybe lower it one more spline? Just want to be able to get boot under it quickly without hassle. 👍🏻

    No need to count splines, leave it at stock setting, there is a rod with nuts for adjusment and its enough. Just be aware there is a low point you do not want to reach: ball joint in rubber booth will hit peg carrier and you wont be able to shift into first gear (or very hard as was in my case). I learned that on first Z900 ride so i made adjustment up to that point and that was  fortunately enough for me.
    Last Edit: Jun 05, 2022, 03.31 pm by 3alfa3

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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #13 on: Jun 05, 2022, 03.32 pm
    Jun 05, 2022, 03.32 pm
    Oh yeah duh 🤣 totally was thinking about dirt bike lever! I forgot about that🤣👍🏻

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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #14 on: Jun 13, 2022, 03.46 am
    Jun 13, 2022, 03.46 am
    Hi, this for us here in brazil has become normal, we have many similar problems, mainly escaping the high speed gear from 6 to 5 and 5 to 4 gear.  this is probably a chronic problem of the z9.

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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #15 on: Jun 27, 2022, 08.40 pm
    Jun 27, 2022, 08.40 pm
    *Originally Posted by Merrick [+]
    Anyway, I changed the shifting patter from road to racing shifting (1st gear is up, the rest of gears are down) and I don't have the issue since.
    :028: IMO GP shifting should be the standard pattern in all bikes, it's just so much more natural (after a few rides) than the 'normal' shift pattern (I cannot fathom why the current standard was selected and not the reverse pattern). I doubt anyone trying the GP shifting ever changes back.

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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #16 on: Jun 29, 2022, 01.09 pm
    Jun 29, 2022, 01.09 pm
    *Originally Posted by zeta [+]
    :028: IMO GP shifting should be the standard pattern in all bikes, it's just so much more natural (after a few rides) than the 'normal' shift pattern (I cannot fathom why the current standard was selected and not the reverse pattern). I doubt anyone trying the GP shifting ever changes back.
    Ditto

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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #17 on: Jun 29, 2022, 01.49 pm
    Jun 29, 2022, 01.49 pm
    *Originally Posted by zeta [+]
    :028: IMO GP shifting should be the standard pattern in all bikes, it's just so much more natural (after a few rides) than the 'normal' shift pattern (I cannot fathom why the current standard was selected and not the reverse pattern). I doubt anyone trying the GP shifting ever changes back.

    Is downshifting with rev matching simple as with conventional shift pattern (after rider gets used to GP pattern)?

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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #18 on: Jun 30, 2022, 06.28 am
    Jun 30, 2022, 06.28 am
    *Originally Posted by 3alfa3 [+]
    Is downshifting with rev matching simple as with conventional shift pattern (after rider gets used to GP pattern)?
    GP shifting is easier in a couple of ways;
    1. when you rev match and downshift, the motion of the hand and foot are to the same direction, not the opposite as in the conventional pattern and
    2. when you accelerate hard and tuck in, it's easier to kick down the gear lever than pull it up. And when you brake/slow down (and rev match) from a high speed and your body gets to an upright position (you use the air resistance as a brake), it's easier to pull up the gear lever to downshift. In this case too the motion of the gear lever is the same as your body's, not the opposite as in the conventional pattern.

    Before using the GP shifting I often got a leg cramp (hip really) when upshifted in the tucked-in position (it's physically harder to pull up the lever when tucked in than it is to kick it down), not an issue for most people I'd think, but has never happened with the GP shifting.

    After a few rides with the GP pattern you'll get it right 95% of the time and it gets better and better over time.


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    Re: Clutch issue or rider issue?
    Reply #19 on: Jun 30, 2022, 07.32 am
    Jun 30, 2022, 07.32 am
    Tnx 👍

     



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