For You Clutchless Shifting Guys

[zed9]

I’ve done it a before but haven’t in years.

[Switches]

Bang-shifting and power-shifting isn't clutchless shifting. Power-shifting involves shifting without lifting off the accelerator.

Clutchless upshifts involve letting off the power, unloading the transmission, prior to shifting. If clutchless upshifting had the same potential to cause damage, bikes wouldn't be coming with a quickshifter from the factory.

[zed9]

Originally Posted by Switches

Bang-shifting and power-shifting isn't clutchless shifting. Power-shifting involves shifting without lifting off the accelerator.

Clutchless upshifts involve letting off the power, unloading the transmission, prior to shifting. If clutchless upshifting had the same potential to cause damage, bikes wouldn't be coming with a quickshifter from the factory.

Good point but quick shifters can be harsh at low rpm or when you’re riding slowly. If you clutchless shift perfectly you’ll never get a better shift but if you screw it up it’s bad.
I don’t mind using the clutch, my left hand needs something to do besides scratching my nuts.

[Switches]

While these are valid concerns (and having something else to do with your left hand is probably the most important part), I've found the Z900 to be the easiest bike to do clutchless upshifts on, and it takes very well to a quickshifter.

[zed9]

Originally Posted by Switches

While these are valid concerns (and having something else to do with your left hand is probably the most important part), I've found the Z900 to be the easiest bike to do clutchless upshifts on, and it takes very well to a quickshifter.

I still use the clutch, tho very little pull, mostly throttle blip.
A friend I used to ride with never used his clutch above first gear. It was the only way he rode, except down shifting. When I let him ride my bike I told him to use the clutch. I doubt he did, LOL.

[porkchop]

69k on the ZRX 1200 and still on original clutch doing it mostly without a lever.
7K with the Z.
Ain't scared 

[zed9]

Originally Posted by porkchop

69k on the ZRX 1200 and still on original clutch doing it mostly without a lever.
7K with the Z.
Ain't scared 

I’ll admit, the smoothest I ever shifted with the zrx was clutchless.
To avoid the clunk going from neutral into first gear I pull the clutch then either pedal it or let it roll forward a bit and it’ll slip into first without a sound. Then I short-shift into second at about 1800 rpm to avoid the other clunk and I’m good to go. 

[porkchop]

The old girl does have a very distinct 1st gear drop / clunk 

[zed9]

Originally Posted by porkchop

The old girl does have a very distinct 1st gear drop / clunk 

She sure does. Try the forward roll technique.

[Axl]

Originally Posted by zed9

She sure does. Try the forward roll technique.

Also, if you just started and it's in the high idle mode roll the throttle forward and it'll lower the rpms to help shift into first with less clunk.